Geek girls” and the problem of self-objectification

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Cross-posted at Geek Feminism.

There is a dif­fi­cult con­ver­sa­tion to be had about self-objectifying geeks. (I’m look­ing at you, slave Leias.) And while fem­i­nist geeks have been address­ing this issue for a while now, it seems that more main­stream geek cul­ture has caught up with us. Comic-Con actu­ally had a panel this year called “Oh, You Sexy Geek,” in which they were to dis­cuss the impli­ca­tions of “sexy women” in geek cul­ture. From the online pro­gram:

Does dis­play­ing the sex­i­ness of fan­girls ben­e­fit or demean them? When geek girls show off, are they lib­er­at­ing them­selves or pan­der­ing to men? Do some “fake fan­girls” blend sex appeal with nerdi­ness just to appeal to the grow­ing geek/nerd mar­ket, or is that ques­tion itself unfair? And what’s up with all the Slave Leias?

I’ve been research­ing and think­ing about cos­play for a while now, and one of the most dis­tress­ing trends I’ve been grap­pling with is how women will choose char­ac­ters, cos­tumes, or cos­tume con­struc­tions based on how “sexy” the cos­tume will appear on them. This is not just a cos­play prob­lem, but a geek prob­lem. And until we start hav­ing an intel­li­gent con­ver­sa­tion about it (prefer­ably a con­ver­sa­tion that starts with the assump­tion that it is a prob­lem), it’s not one that geek com­mu­ni­ties will ever be rid of. (A lit­tle unsur­pris­ingly, the Comic-Con panel was appar­ently sort of ter­ri­ble. We’ll get to that in a minute.)

As I’ve argued before, the sexisms that per­sist in geek com­mu­ni­ties are not spe­cial. They are not sep­a­ra­ble and inher­ently dif­fer­ent from sex­ist thoughts and behav­iors in the “real world.” They are part and par­cel of reg­u­lar ole sex­ism, not a spe­cial geek dude brand invented out­side of patri­archy. So with that in mind, it’s impor­tant to remem­ber that the sex­u­al­iza­tion of women is some­thing that women and men con­sume and inter­nal­ize all over the place. Though it does seem to be par­tic­u­larly bad in geek media. Video games, comics, sci­ence fic­tion, fantasy—these media forms are often at fault for pro­mot­ing unre­al­is­tic (and, pretty reg­u­larly, phys­i­cally impos­si­ble) stan­dards of beauty. They fash­ion their female hero­ines and vil­lains as sexy objects to be con­sumed, unlike their male coun­ter­parts.

As I said to Amanda Hess last year, being the sexy object is one of the places where geek women can find accep­tance in their com­mu­ni­ties. From the interview:

Too often, women in geek cul­tures are only wel­comed if they are dec­o­ra­tion, sexy ver­sions of the things geek men love, not equal par­tic­i­pants or fel­low fans. For­ever Geek […], for exam­ple, has, in just the past two months, posted with glee about female mod­els naked except for high heels and stormtrooper hel­mets grac­ing skate­boards, a car wash in which women dressed in sexy Princess Leia cos­tumes washed cars, and Star Wars corsets. Geek com­mu­ni­ties love women, as long as their mem­bers don’t have to think of those women as peo­ple.

When I was on the “Geek Girls in Pop­u­lar Cul­ture” panel at Apol­lo­Con, we talked about this non­sense for quite a while, because, as a cou­ple of the pan­elists pointed out, it seems like a geek woman can only get atten­tion if she’s con­ven­tion­ally beau­ti­ful and will­ing to objec­tify her­self. When geek women choose to self-objectify at geek events, they are not doing so in a vac­uum. So while I think it’s pos­si­ble that some of them are try­ing to feel empow­ered in their sex­u­al­ity, and reclaim their fem­i­nin­ity, they can­not escape the fact that this is a cul­ture that embraces female fans almost exclu­sively as sexy objects. In other words, a fem­i­nist can wear high heels, but she shouldn’t lie to her­self about what that means.

The prob­lem then, isn’t that women are objec­ti­fy­ing them­selves. That’s like hold­ing a panel ask­ing if women are “lib­er­at­ing them­selves or pan­der­ing to men” for wear­ing mascara/high heels/Spanx/bras, curl­ing or straight­en­ing their hair, or shav­ing their legs and under­arms. Because it’s easy to blame women, right? It’s easy to say that if women don’t want to be objec­ti­fied, they shouldn’t dress sexy or do the beauty work asked of them.

And it’s easy to get angry at “Team Uni­corn” for so obvi­ously pan­der­ing to the male gaze and fram­ing them­selves as sex objects for male geeks. It’s easy to hate Olivia Munn and point to her as every­thing that is wrong with geek women or geek cul­ture. It’s easy to roll your eyes at the ubiq­ui­tous sexy cos­play­ers, and blame them for the objec­ti­fi­ca­tion of women in geek cultures.

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A group of slave Leias with Jabba the Hut at a con­ven­tion. From Flickr.

But the actions of women are not the cause of their objec­ti­fi­ca­tion. Women have a lot of good rea­sons to per­form beauty work and to dress sexy, espe­cially in the sex­ist cul­tures rep­re­sented at your aver­age con. Women aren’t the prob­lem, whether they cross­play and eschew fem­i­nin­ity alto­gether or they pull out the sexy Leia cos­tume. The prob­lem is that women who dress sexy, who frame them­selves as sex objects, are rewarded by geek cul­ture for doing so. They get atten­tion, approval, and recog­ni­tion from the cul­ture when they dress as sexy Leia (or any sexy geek thing). They have pic­tures taken of them at cons, and they get posted and reposted on the inter­net. They are rec­og­nized as geeks (and gen­er­ally as some­what authen­tic geeks, even if they aren’t talked about that way) and wel­comed into the com­mu­nity (maybe not as full mem­bers, but at least as desir­able). There’s noth­ing wrong with want­ing atten­tion and approval in one’s com­mu­nity. What cos­player and geek wouldn’t want those things? What female geek doesn’t want to be wel­comed into the com­mu­nity with enthu­si­asm and excite­ment (instead of derided as a harpy fem­i­nist or annoy­ing squee­ing fan­girl)? The prob­lem, then, isn’t what women do, but a cul­ture in which the only way that women can be rec­og­nized as a desir­able part of the cul­ture is when they par­tic­i­pate by mak­ing them­selves con­sum­able sexy objects for geek men.

The panel at Comic-Con was framed poorly, and per­haps that’s why it turned into a god­damn mess, with pan­elists sug­gest­ing the women crit­i­ciz­ing sexy cos­play­ers were “just jeal­ous,” one pan­elist argu­ing the women are “all a bunch of bitches,” another claim­ing “I can’t help it that some of the char­ac­ters I like to cos­play are scant­ily clad,” and the only male pan­elist show­ing up 5 min­utes before the panel ended and mak­ing an inap­pro­pri­ate sex­ual joke (syn­op­sis from Fem­i­nist Fatale). Well, one of the rea­sons. Another rea­son is prob­a­bly that geek cul­tures tend to think we’re beyond fem­i­nism, and Suzanne Scott claims that the panel

devolved into a post­fem­i­nist panel, in which fem­i­nism was invoked and then dis­carded as no longer nec­es­sary (or too “old fash­ioned,” or some form of buz­zkillery we need to “get over”).

This is unsur­pris­ing, if dis­ap­point­ing. Because geek cul­tures often think of them­selves as coun­ter­cul­tural, they don’t usu­ally believe they are tainted by the sex­ism, racism, ableism, ageism, ad naseum that infect pop­u­lar cul­ture. And there are entireblogs that prove that non­sense untrue.

This whole con­ver­sa­tion needs to change focus. Indi­vid­ual geeks and cos­play­ers have their own rea­sons for dress­ing as they do or pre­sent­ing them­selves as they do. Those rea­sons can indeed involve their think­ing that dress­ing as sexy Leia is empow­er­ing, for what­ever rea­son. And we shouldn’t be dis­miss­ing those rea­sons. But the trend of sexy geek cos­play­ing, the trend of geek women objec­ti­fy­ing and sex­u­al­iz­ing them­selves, that’s a whole ‘nother ball­game. We need to be talk­ing about this as a prob­lem of our cul­ture, not a prob­lem that women bring upon themselves.

About Courtney Stoker

Courtney is a loud bitchy feminist, geek, gamer, and atheist. She recently finished her M.A. in English, specializing in science fiction (Victorian and contemporary), science fiction fan cultures, and geek cultures. She is also a little obsessed with Doctor Who. You can find her on Twitter and at Geek Feminism.

11 Responses to Geek girls” and the problem of self-objectification

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  3. Grigory says:

    So hard for me to remem­ber that there are other kinds of geeks, not just the open source pro­gram­ming hip­sters like me. Com­puter geeks have less *isms, but still there are some *ist peo­ple. I haven’t under­stood how a com­puter geek could be sex­ist and/or homo­pho­bic — every­one knows about Ada Lovelace and Alan Tur­ing, right? — until Lind­sey Bieda tweeted how she was dis­ap­pointed with her stu­dents’ not know­ing about Alan Tur­ing at all. There’s some­thing wrong with IT/computer sci­ence education.

    I’m not really into comics (but I like short web comics), sci­ence fic­tion and fan­tasy, but in video games, I see that there are a lot of sto­ries where female char­ac­ters aren’t about beauty at all. You know Half-Life 2 and Por­tal, right? (Hey, I guess Valve is full of fem­i­nists. Def­i­nitely they have female devel­op­ers — just click “devel­oper com­men­tary” in Por­tal and lis­ten) Also Gameloft’s Gangstar Miami Vindication.

    P.S. Oh why athe­ism and fem­i­nism end with “ism”? I don’t feel good when I write “*ism” mean­ing (sex|rac|age|able)ism.

  4. Great read! I’ve devel­oped this new obses­sion with geek cul­ture as of late, and you’ve just whet my appetite (even more so!).

  5. Willydstyle says:

    While I think this is a valu­able con­ver­sa­tion, I’m not sure if I agree with your basic premise that geek women objec­tify them­selves because it is the only way to gain accep­tance into the male-dominated sub-culture. Maybe it’s dif­fer­ent because I live in Port­land, but I observe many women being included in geeky activ­i­ties at the Guardian Games shop. Some of them are attrac­tive, some of them aren’t “clas­si­cally attrac­tive,” but most of them seem to be pretty well accepted by their male and female peers, regard­less of their looks.

  6. I would direct you to the con­ver­sa­tion being had about this on the cross-post at Geek Fem­i­nism. I’m over­stat­ing, but I’m also talk­ing not about indi­vid­ual groups or com­mu­ni­ties, but about the cul­ture at large.

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  9. […] “Geek girls” and the prob­lem of self-objectification But the actions of women are not the cause of their objec­ti­fi­ca­tion. Women have a lot of good rea­sons to per­form beauty work and to dress sexy, espe­cially in the sex­ist cul­tures rep­re­sented at your aver­age con. Women aren’t the prob­lem, whether they cross­play and eschew fem­i­nin­ity alto­gether or they pull out the sexy Leia cos­tume. The prob­lem is that women who dress sexy, who frame them­selves as sex objects, are rewarded by geek cul­ture for doing so. They get atten­tion, approval, and recog­ni­tion from the cul­ture when they dress as sexy Leia (or any sexy geek thing). They have pic­tures taken of them at cons, and they get posted and reposted on the inter­net. They are rec­og­nized as geeks (and gen­er­ally as some­what authen­tic geeks, even if they aren’t talked about that way) and wel­comed into the com­mu­nity (maybe not as full mem­bers, but at least as desir­able). There’s noth­ing wrong with want­ing atten­tion and approval in one’s com­mu­nity.  (tags: objec­ti­fi­ca­tion geek.culture gen­der con­ven­tions cosplay) […]